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player avatar Capo

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From
avatar⛔ Qvasar
13; 13; 0		Steam iconSteam Trades iconDiscord🌐 ROW:EU
To
avatarCapo
400; 319; 0		Steam iconSteam Trades iconDiscord🌐 ROW:EU FR

🗣️ Mediator Advice On: Volunteers may advise on the fairness of this offer (on due to receiver's offer preferences).

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✗ Capo declined offer from Qvasar
  • < Qvasar proposed offer to Capo
  • ✐ Qvasar edited offer
  • < Qvasar proposed offer to Capo
  • 🕗 Qvasar set proposed offer to expire
  • avatar @Bartee: btw I read the Steam chat thread from January and I understand now why GG deals is the standard here. I might have overreacted. I still personally look at ITAD for my own shopping but I will use GG deals here. Thanks
  • @Bartee: as I mentioned before, I have adjusted my trading system with every piece of feedback. I personally would never buy from keyshops therefore I find gg deals pricing laughable. But hey you want it, I use it. But don't be rude.
  • avatar @Qvasar: We won't wait for you to reach 100 declines before a permaban though, since you keep saying that you want to trade according to YOUR rules and not according to OUR rules. Thus, I don't see why we would extend this situation indefinitely. It's like going to the market and saying that you refuse to pay with money and instead you insist on paying only with paper strips. Does that make any sense to you? Discussion closed now, will not reply further.
  • @Qvasar: You mean, the rules of Barter that you don't really acknowledge? Anyway, it's not a threat. It's a warning; we could have suspended you directly without any explanation, but we gave you several warnings instead, allowing you a to change your trading patterns. You have the choice to comply or not. You have the choice to go by ITAD or by GG.deals, all I'm saying is that if your offers are unfair according to this platform's rules, they will be declined by us.
  • avatar @Bartee that’s just to show that I am not unfair and play by the rules. But I strongly object to ggg deals vs ITAD HL, I believe you’re borderline trolling, and I was also fair in most of my offers
  • @Bartee I have also cancelled my remaining offers.
  • @Bartee I wasn’t talking to you in my overview. Also your threat is against the rules on Barter. You want to moderate on Barter, you have to respect the rules
  • avatar @Qvasar: I'd advise you to fix your offers ASAP, unless you want to be permanently banned. Stating in your overview message that you don't care about gg.deals pricing will not affect how we moderate your offers.
  • @Capo: So you intentionally use the wrong Barter item (Steam and not EA) so you can have more matches, then when someone is ready to trade it with you, you say "oh btw, it's an EA key!". Both of you are various degrees of laughable, but Capo's answer was expected to be against fair gg.deals values, because Capo himself engages often in lowballing. Let's see, if I send you an offer now for Dead Space and give you 1 ref, will you give me a Steam key?
  • avatar Don't put too much energy in this discussion, I had the same "issues" several times and everytime moderators end up having the last word ...
  • * Marked in my Overview
  • avatar @Capo thank you, I appreciate it. Totally reasonable! @Bartee have a look and fix your moderation behaviour ASAP
  • avatar Based on gg.deals prices it was a fair offer for Dead Space (marked as Ref* so it's an EA key, not a Steam one). For Mini Metro I just see a lack of -1.61 CHF which is totally acceptable in my mind. I declined because I have no interest in these games.
  • avatar @Capo: please let me and Bartee know what you genuinely think of the offer, purely in value terms (I understand that these are not wishlist items for you).
  • @Bartee: rules that are not updated are not opposable, in legal terms - meaning they mean nothing. And valuing bundled games using keyshop data is both immoral and wrong. As a user, my options are: buy now, wait for HL, or trade. That’s it
  • avatar Considering lowest ITAD when you trade for bundle games also doesn't make sense. For a bundled game, Steam discounts are almost always several times the value of the game's bundle value. Anyway, no point in arguing further. To put it in simple words: if you want to trade on Barter, you have to follow the rules on Barter, regardless of what kind of evaluation scheme you invent for your trades.
  • @Qvasar: There are rules, applied starting Jan 2024. The text that says ""There are no set rules for valuing games on Barter" is outdated and should be modified to point to the ruleset. If you consider Mini Metro at 1€, then go trade for an Android copy. Similarly, trade for Dead Space (EA) and not for Steam. But applying one pricing to a different platform because that's convenient for you, is just laughable.
  • avatar Hey Capo sorry for the long exchange below, Bartee and I were disagreeing on something :)
  • @Bartee Regarding gg deals. Is it not hypocritical to have the standard valuation system be a website that also includes keyshops, which most users do not want anyway and hurt devs? Shouldn't ITAD "historical low" be the gold standard?
  • @Bartee also you're failing to take into consideration the fact that every time I was moderated or received feedback, I have adjusted or cancelled a trade offer. The site needs to explain better to new users that gg deals is the only valuing system here
  • @Bartee And re: fulfilment rate, every single one was amicable (feel free to reach out to my counterparts). I don't see how fulfilment rate (in its raw form) has any relevance at all. I don't have disputed trades, do I?
  • @Bartee re: "most of other Barter users you sent offers to consider your offers unfair". I disagree. If I look at the data most of them decline because "do not want" or "already own". I only 1-2 times received a comment saying my offer was unfair.
  • @Bartee OK I checked the rules. I do not believe I repeatedly lowballed, as I have quite often "overballed" too. Also: "There are no set rules for valuing games on Barter". If you disagree with Barter's official stance on valuing, take it with site admin.
  • @Bartee are the offers that you declined "to protect me" included? Also, how can the price not be relevant? It's the same game! Steam users are also EA users. And who doesn't have a phone? PLEASE SEND ME SEND ME THE TOS AND OFFICIAL RULES.
  • avatar You reached almost 30 mediator-declined offers, at 25 you should have been given a suspension already; it will be applied with your next unfair offer you send. Your Barter fulfillment rate is terrible, you have a 81% decline score which should tell you that not only us, but also most of other Barter users you sent offers to consider your offers unfair. Please fix your trading behavior ASAP.
  • Dead Space is 1€ for the EA version, you're trading for a Steam key now which is around 7€. What relevance does the price on Mini Metro on Android have, when you're trading for a Steam key? This is complete nonsense. Clearly you have a different evaluation system, but if you want to keep trading on Barter you will have to follow the rules here, instead of sending any kind of offer you like.
  • avatar @Capo: hey Capo let me know if you think Mini Metro + Dead Space from 2008 = €12
  • @Bartee: so you cancel my offer when I offer too much and too little? Mini metro is a game that's like €1 on mobile and dead space 2008 is €1 on gg.deals. What €12?
  • avatar @Qvasar: 3€ for 12€. Obviously Capo will not accept such an offer, but let me tell you straight that if you keep lowballing with dozens of offers per day like you do now, your account will be suspended.
  • avatar Please help me knock off some stuff off my wishlist! 👦🏼 Overview
Qvasar will send 4 of these tradables

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Capo will send 1 of these tradables

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