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player avatar tridognight

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avatar⛔ tridognight
1402; 577; 0		Steam iconSteam Trades iconDiscord🌍 CIS
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avatarKillogy
237; 198; 0		Steam iconSteam Trades iconDiscord🌐 ROW:EU ES
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tridognight claimed ...

Killogy claimed ...

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✓ tridognight completed offer with [RTD]Killogy ( countered ✉ )
  • ✓ [RTD]Killogy completed offer with tridognight
  • ✋ Pan Dimensional Being volunteered to mediate offer
  • 🚪 Barter.vg exited from offer mediation
  • ✋ Barter.vg volunteered to mediate offer
  • X [RTD]Killogy failed offer with tridognight
  • X tridognight failed offer with [RTD]Killogy
  • > [RTD]Killogy accepted offer from tridognight
  • < tridognight proposed offer to [RTD]Killogy
  • 🕗 Killogy set accepted offer to expire
  • 🕗 tridognight set proposed offer to expire
  • avatar but my arguments based on how everything happened and made in factual facts are not valid?
  • And previous mediator giving me the reason, without him realizing it. so, his accusations based on false premises or prejudices of something that has not happened are valid?
  • In real life what I received was not as described because he reserved information that could to cancel this trade, is called dishonest and scam, sorry but it´is, I would win the trial
  • users attacking me with ad hominem arguments, while i´m defending my posture with valid examples in real life and solid arguments based on common sense and logic.
  • so if I do not accept your trap and I do not send my games, you dispute me. you choosed the best option for you for don´t receive a dispute from my side, you are very clever
  • I did not decived that´s the key of everything. You reserved to you the conditions of this key,. because if you inform about it then I cancel this trade and as you could suspect that, then you send the key first,
  • my position: if I feel you deceived me, now you will deceived more than before.
  • read my messages carefully
  • ad hominem argument you did
  • avatar Your position: he will deceive me in the future so I will deceive him now?
  • avatar but he did not that, why, it´s obvious, he send the key first, and If i don´t accept this trap, then open a dispute against me.
  • If he had been diplomatic to solve this problem, we would have reached an agreement, the problem is he never considers that he could have done things differently. informing about it
  • If he do not inform, because i think he don´t want that I reject the trade, then I suspect dishonesty, and everything becomes as it is now, then of course, I can to understand that he will sabotage the key. now there are not a friendly situation.
  • avatar I'm not sure there's anything else I can do.
  • avatar If he do not inform, but i don´t care about risks, I know he do not will sabotage the key
  • not before, but now everything is possible. If he inform about the beta tag key and I accept the risk, i´m sure he do not will sabotage the key, because he was honest from the beginning
  • I always judge with facts, not speculations
  • avatar You may disagree, but at this point, the risk of revocation is no greater than any other key. I don't think tridognight had any plans to sabotage the key.
  • avatar I always judge with facts, not speculations
  • When you’re ready to end beta access, revoke the keys using the key banning tool. You can indicate that you’re banning the keys because of the end of a beta, so users get a friendly message letting them know they’ve lost access.
  • 4. Keep track of the keys you hand out. By default, users who activate a key will own the game forever, but if you want to end beta access or revoke the game from beta testers, that’s fine too. When you’re ready to end beta access, revoke the keys
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  • not because I make some search about it before posting
  • if he knew the risks of revokation of this key, and thinking about it, if metion to me about it and I will cancel the trade, he will hide this information?, sorry but I´m sure of it. he did it
  • avatar Ok, that is understandable. However, you did make a lot of accusation before asking questions about beta keys.
  • avatar As I said early, Is it so hard to mention it? it is not, that´s the question. so my suspicions are totally understandable, about some bad intentions hiding it
  • He knows more than me about "this word of tradding" I´m new trading games, and did not know anything about beta keys like this one.
  • avatar The key would have been revoked upon release, which occurred 18 months ago. The for Beta Testing label applies to any key that allows the game to be played prior to release. This can apply to crowdfunded games and other rewards unrelated to beta testing.
  • avatar he knew the key is for press review, he told me that, so perfectly he can to presume that there is a risk of banning the key anytime.
  • because developer has not banned them yet, but as a beta key assigned to press o beta testesr, the key may be revoked anytime, of course I would not have accepted that risk
  • Ya, If I knew that this kind the key are for beta tester, and steam and devoloper tag the key as beta key only "valid" while the game is in beta stage., and if when beta is finished but betas keys with full acess to the game, is yet active
  • avatar If you knew that this was a prerelease version of Syberia 3, you would have declined the offer? You never want to receive any keys that include "for Beta Testing"? This is regardless of actual risk of the key being revoked?
  • avatar if he hides this information, even if barter is allowing that, then I supect dishonesty, and now as everything is worst than before, I feel there are more chances to revokation because reporting to developer.
  • it´s only confidence, trust or whatever you want to call it. if he inform about it, I will see honestym if I accept the key, I know the risks, but I know he do not will inform about this key to developer.
  • the key was burning in his hands
  • because in my opinion, I feel he was not honest, not informing me about this kind of keys giving an option for reject this trade. because in mi opinion he knew I did not accept the risks, he wanted to rid out this key at all costs.
  • avatar Why would tridognight do that?
  • avatar it´s not as simple.. "We can make a guarantee if that happens". Guarantee?, I don´t trust in this trader, he has lost all confidence on my part, and barter too.
  • Now he can inform to the developer about this beta key, Can you understand, that if in my opinion and fellings, this trader is not honest, I am completely vulnerable. I send 23 games and I will lost the game.
  • or from a grey market, but at least, there I know what I i´m receiving, here I did not know, just because he did not want me to know.
  • As I said before, I will remove this game from my library, now everything is worst than before, because his lacks of diplomacy. I can buy thi damn game in steam winter sales or when becomes cheaper.
  • It is not the same, but it seems that in this world there are many people who lack common sense to understand the order of things
  • but now he lost every right about complains, just because he is not diplomatic and honest, simple as that. he was the first to make a "mistake" (in my opinion was not a error, everything was intentionally) so can´t complain about real mistakes
  • If he do not accept the options offered by me, then I´m sure the problem is not my personality. but I will perfectly will understand, that he considers the trade invalid because the 1 damn movie
  • or because i´m honest, I will say, sorry I misstagged this game in my text file. then I can buy the damns movie or add more games to compensate him
  • but as I said before but you have not bothered to read my messages well. if he is a good person and honest and may to say, don´t worry killogy, mistakes happens, I don´t will dipuste this trade just for the damn movie you misstagged
  • but now I have doubt about it, same as he had about the pirates of black cove edition game and he counter offerted add better games and removing the pirates games
  • Sending the cube key and was not as described, then is another thing
  • Really!!!, a damn movie from a trade with 22 more games is critical for the trade, OMG. if he can get a retail syberia 3 key better spend the money buying the movie and cacel this trade. so he will have his desire syberia 3 key to activa it in his account
  • he did not received any incorrect key, so do not make ad hominem argumentations
  • avatar If you receive a new retail key, you'll buy the movie?
  • avatar Now not, because the relationship and trust is broken. And as he did not informed me about the syberia 3 key condition, he lost his key by his mistake, then trade is invalid, and have not right to demand nothing.
  • this trade is not accurately from the beginning because of his key
  • avatar You will buy the movie?
  • avatar OMG, I think you need to sleep a little
  • Read my previous message. Where I said I don´t will buy the movie if I send the incorrect cube key?
  • but now, I don´t trust anymore, because he has shown methe he is not diplomatic and fair, because he opened this dispute.
  • avatar Put yourself in tridognight's position. Do you think it is reasonable to purchase a $30 game when you're not willing to purchase a $3 movie to accurately complete the trade?
  • avatar I´m honest, I do not harm my reputation sending an incorrect game intencionally, so I prefer remove it, because I´m not usre about that.
  • If cube is not the cube game that barter has set, then better remove it from the trade and I can incluide 2 games that I think he haven´t.
  • 3.- editing this trade, removing some games I want to keep,and that they do not erer part of the first trade proposed by me. This is like a compensation for not informing me about the risk of accepting this kingd of key
  • 1.- removing the game from my library and stop trade as invalid. 2.- get a key non tagged as "for tester". he can buy it or trading his games to get a syberia key.....
  • the cube is a mistake, but sending a beta key untagged is not a mistake, sorry but it is not. In spanish we say "yo puedo ser idiota pero no gilipollas" something like "I can be an idiot but not an asshole"
  • avatar What solutions do you propose to resolve this? If you want a new mediator, that can happen tomorrow.
  • avatar the cube is a mistake, but sending a beta key untagged is not a mistake, sorry but it is not. In spanish we say "yo puedo ser idiota pero no gilipollas" something like "I can be an idiot but not an asshole"
  • I would not lose my reputation for a damn game in a deal of 23 games
  • I´m the only one losing in this trade if someone cheats.
  • Really, you think I'm going to cheat on a deal, where I'm sending 23 games, and sending one of them not as described. OMG!!
  • If before trading games, there is doubt about the game, the n trade can be canceled or chose another game,or accept my mistake , becasue something happens
  • I got 2 games not listed in tradable list that this trader have not. so if this trade it would have been completed, and cube key is not as describe, I can offe tha games. This is honesty
  • by offering another games to compensate my mistake, or if he is honest accept it like a mistake without bad intentions
  • as I said before, as there is not bad intentions from my side, evvery honest and diplomatic person, got tools to solved this kind of mistakes.
  • not, because there very big differences it is not the same.
  • avatar I mention Cube because it's an example of a mistake that need not involve malice or intent to deceive. If you're capable of adding the wrong game, perhaps you should give others the benefit of the doubt.
  • avatar If other users want to be cheated with these practices, it's their problem, I feel cheated, this could be avoid informing about it.
  • You see?, I don´t want this copy of syberia 3 game, I don´t keep it.I do not steal, its invalid trade, what was offered or what I received was not as described, simple as that.
  • you have done it, and the funny thing is that you have not noticed. now pls resolve this dispute as must., close it without the red dispute in my account, and I will remove syberia3 from my library, because none options offered from my have been accepted
  • that makes you think that your value judgments, based on baseless accusations, are more acceptable than mine, based on factual knowledge of the whole process of the tradding? thank you you just gave me the reason in all my argument.
  • I am an excessively diplomatic person, but my patience is about to end. stop prejudice about what you do not know. my judgments are based on what is known. if for all of you I'm wrong.
  • Please send me another mediator, at least with a solid argumentation skills.
  • what a rational supremacism from your part. At least I know I received a key was not as described, and my arguments revolve around factual facts. on the contrary, you are making an argument ad hominem
  • presupposing that I intentionally intend to send you a key that is not as described. Good I´m the bad guy accusing of scamming without reason? OMG
  • And you are calling you mediator? OMG, accusing without knowing nothing about the key. Without knowing how I will procede if the key is not the corrent one. and i´m the bad guy??
  • This is something called, self-criticism, I did not see that from the other trader. And you are accusing before know the true about the key, and forgetting that there is no bad intention on my part.
  • So investigating about the cube key, if there are doubt about it ,same as the game Pirates of black cove, will be removed from the trade. this is honesty, there is not bad intentions from my side, just a misstagged because I did not copy his name properly
  • talk with my previous trader Reecebullet, and learn something about honesty, from his part and from my part.
  • now you are accusing me, but in worst manners, good
  • then if it´s, you have right to complain about it upon activating, not before i will fix this problem ,as i did in my previous trades. honesty
  • did you tested my cube key ? noot so...s odo not judge before testing the key, I ´m judging knowing the key that I received and it is not the expected to be received. can´t you find any diference?
  • if I add cube to tradable list and barter add the movie, What are you expecting? You are counter-argumenting against me using the same coin as you all considering that´s is not valid for defend my position? what a hiprocresy, not it´s valid?
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  • avatar maybe I activate a third one, and that because is a cube key, I don´t know. but the key is saved in a text file where I pasted the indeagala giveaway golden keys
  • avatar The movie version is included in this offer. Isn't accuracy important?
  • avatar I got 2 keys tagged cube
  • its a cube key I think at least I tagged as cube, I dont know if there is a banned game named cube or its the movie
  • avatar I would be very surprised if you have a Steam key for Cube the movie. It is more likely The Cube from Friday Special Bundle #66.
  • avatar none of them from grey markets
  • indiegala golden giveway
  • everithing, many of my keys are brought from my pokect, indiegala fanatical humble bundle greengmaing or so others from indiegale golden giveways
  • avatar Where did you obtain a Steam key for Cube the movie?
  • avatar yes
  • I´m talking to the wall, this trade must to be considered as invalid because I did not trading for this kind of keys.
  • avatar You have a Steam key for Cube the movie?
  • avatar yes
  • I did not see any tag about the nature of this key, so he tricked my into this trap. itás obvious, so yes, in real life this kind of practices are scam. so I must to remove the game from my library and the trade closed as failed without dispute
  • avatar Do you have available to trade all 23 items listed in this offer?
  • avatar kind of key, I did not received information abouy it to know if you accept the risk of revocation, no chances for me. not fair.
  • I received a temporaly game key, yes because is a beta key than may be banned anytime, even if you don´t want to accept this will happen. I don´t care if the game is full, the matter it is, is not a reliable key. I did not see any info about this kind..
  • What is a scammer in you opinion?, In the real life, if seller hide crucial information about the product he is offering, he the consumer get a product what is not as described. consumer right fail in consumer favor
  • I gave him solutions to compensate me, and as his behaviour was dishonest from the beginning, he rejected them.
  • avatar If the concern is that the game will be revoked, we could setup a warranty for you. I hope that would make you feel safer. Consider that you claimed that tridognight was a scammer and posted that on the forum. That is a serious accusation.
  • avatar If barter has rules allowing these practices, then I have nothing more to say. My position is clear, and solid, misstagged key, then invalid trade. I did not traded for a key for tester and temporal life.Where is it written that I was trading for it
  • You must to learn something about consumer rights. His key has been misstagged so trade is not valid. I did not start this trade because I want a key for beta tester, and risks of revocation. where is this information? I did not accept trade for this key
  • So not tag, not information about this matters, then trade must to close, and I remove the game from my library, I don´t want it.
  • Where is the tag "this is a betatester key" yes he must to use "beta tag" key or another edition tag, or informing about the nature of this key before proceeding to complete this trade and send the key
  • the trade can´t be set as it is because his lacks of information and risks about his beta key. I´m not trading for a key for beta testers, with a risks of being banned, while he get my retail games, permanent in his steam library.
  • Not because i´m do not want to complete the trade diplomatically, it´s funny, now he is the victim?? it´s a joke.
  • I did not sent nothing because he rejected every option to compensate me for his lacks of information about this kind of keys.
  • everything is rotten here.
  • Everyone is blaming me, do not expect anything more from my side, I said everything in my defense, If barter is allowing this kind of bad practices, that´s you problem, you can ban my account if you feel happy. I´m not feeling safe here trading my games
  • avatar Remember that tridognight has received nothing from you. You're projecting a dishonesty on to tridognight that seems unlikely. That will make it difficult to find a solution.
  • avatar And now as I´m considering him dishonest, and in my opinion he is not a reliable trader, he can report the beta key to the developer, and remove the game from my library. So I don´t want to accept this trade as it is. everything is a disadvantage for m
  • I don´t want to lose 23 games for this tricked trade, he should inform me about it if he is honest. I proposed then, we can edit the trade by removing some games I want to keep to compensate to me because his not tagged key or given information risks.
  • I know, if I remove this game, I can buy another key and activate it or buy it from steam store I know. but i want to do that because, I´m sure I will receive what I paid for. permanen game in my library without any worry about revocation
  • I don´t know the version that I have, and there is no deluxe content, because steam store give me option to buy it. Only I see it´s a pdf from pre-release
  • this could be avoided if he inform about this for beta tester source. Think about it, why he did not tagged this key or informing about its conditions.
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  • If you remove the game from your library, there's 100% chance that game will be gone. There's no benefit to anyone if you do this. Even if the game is revoked, you can activate a new key or buy it.
  • avatar this could be avoided if he inform about this for beta tester source. Think about it, why he did not tagged this key or informing about its conditions.
  • it´s unlikely in your opinion, but be honest, nobody know 100% about that, that´s the problem, everyone is telling the same, as if knew the future
  • He can inform about this key to devoloper and ban the key and remove the game from my library. Do you understand why i want to remove this game from my library?. I will buy this game sooner or later.
  • I already told him , get a retail or a "non beta for trader key", so I feel comfortable, he and refuse it, so. I can not trust at this stage of the problem. He was hurry to open a dispute. I never will see a new key if this "key for tester is revoked"
  • avatar Because Syberia was released 18 months ago, it is unlikely the key would be revoked now, with or without beta testing. Do you want assurance that it will not be revoked or do you want something else?
  • avatar it´s paper tiger.
  • Please, I´m being fool one time, i don´t wanna to being fool again, he start thi dispute instead tald diplomaticly about it, so, his, hidding information thing, and the opened dispute, it says much about hi honesty. so promising buying a retail key....
  • I he can get a key without any visible risk of revocation trading their games, he refuse that. In his opinion do not inforrming about the beta tester condition and its risks is not dishonest. in my opinion it´s.
  • avatar Feel free to type in Spanish. Would it alleviate your worry if tridognight promised to send you a retail key for Syberia 3 as a replacement if your key was revoked?
  • avatar I proposed alternative options to fix this, because his not tagged as beta tester key notice. editing the offer removing some games from the trade, to compensate me. but he refused, it´s obvious why
  • his free key for beta tester, with risk of revocation anytime, for my 23 retails games, good job
  • I tried to solved this problem diplomaticaly, but while I´m chatting in steam chat he opened this dispute. it´s obvious everything was planned for him.
  • language I prefer to talk about this matter? spanish, I need to use google translate for verbs and elaborate some sentencies,, maybe i´m not using the correct words to describe my arguments
  • I´m suffering of anxiety, because this situation, and because i´m feeling scammed, when a I´m honest trader, now my barter profile in dispute status, just for his bad practices, not informing about it
  • anytime, even years after the game is released . so sorry but he did not gave chance to choose if want to accept this risk
  • Of course, because, there is risk of revokation anytime banning pre-release key tagged as "for beta testers". the revoked thing of course. at eyes of steam and developer I activate the game using a key for beta testers so if developer ban beta keys
  • avatar [RTD]Killogy, you proposed removing Syberia 3 from your library? That seems like a drastic move that would leave everyone worse off. What is your largest concern, that it could be revoked or that it says 'for Beta Testing' Which language do you prefer?
  • avatar You can check barter forum
  • If he was honest, will tag the key according, or as he know the source of his key, and doubt about if it is active or not, he go first, just to start a dispute,everything is said from my side, please read my arguments.english in not easy to say all again
  • I received a Syberia 3 key for "beta testers, He did not tagged the key as a beta key, and did not informed about the risks about these keys. even if is not deactivates by developer after release
  • avatar Hi I'm the mediator for this dispute. I've read through the offer comments here. [RTD]Killogy you received Syberia 3 for Beta Testing, correct? tridognight, you did not receive any of the 23 games listed in this offer, is that correct?
  • avatar Because "I sent item, but received nothing in exchange". Everything from you part was planned, you are a dishonest and scammer, that´s the only truth.
  • If I send first and upon activation of my keys, you send your "beta tester key" (you got doubts about if activates yet or not), I can´t activate it because has been banned, I will open a dispute as you did it.You was first to avoid a dispute from my side
  • So stop pretending to be the honest saying "I sent key first", you sent first because you want to provoke this dispute against me, you knew what my reaction might be when I realized the key was for beta tester
  • This is what has happened. My conscience is calm, my previous traders know how honest I am if I make a mistake without bad intention.
  • If trader do not send his retail games of the offer then I will open a dispute, making others believe that I am the victim and the honest.
  • believing that it is retail key and they will have the game forever without any risk, if I tag this key as a beta tester key, users will not want trade with it, so I will hide this information and rid out of this key.
  • this is like... This beta tester key is burning in my hands, I even do not want it to activate this game in my library, becasue the risk of revocation anytime, then I will trade with it untagging it as beta tester, so others get this key...
  • last examples are a proof of honesty
  • This is not like.... he told me, hey killogy, I have doubt about this key, its a beta tester key so the key may be banned anytime, do you accept it ?. and I say.. Yes of course no problem.
  • This in not like.... I saw was tagged as a beta key and then temporary game in my library and I accept the risk of revocation.
  • I read another dispute situations, and barter positioned in favor of the scammer, so I do not expect a fair deal, nor justice knowing the background with these beta keys.
  • While I was explaining my position in steam chat, he has been in a hurry to open a dispute so that my profile is tarnished not yours, another dishonest behaviour
  • So what was offered or what I received was not as described he deserve this dispute and his barted profile tarnish not mine. he had everything ready for scamming.
  • So, I´m the scammed one, I get a temporary game and he wanted to receive permanent games in his library that´s not honest, fair and correct.
  • It´s easy to understand, even he does not want his beta tester key, hahaha, why I must to accept it? if even he doesnt wan´t it because the risk of revocation, it´s as simple as that
  • he wanted to get rid of it at all costs, the way to do it was not tagging the key as beta tester key, and found a new barter user with low reputation. He got syberia 1 and syberia 2 in his library, why he does not want syberia 3 if he already got a key
  • this a common practice from scammers, and barter is allowing this, tags are there to avoid misunderstandings and these situations, he knew what he was doing, hiding the beta tester condition of the key. The key burned in his hands...
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  • You should to tag this key properly, and inform me about its condition, no more to say
  • for me it is temporary key that´s the true, nobody knows if the key will be revoked anytime, so that´s enough to reject this trade. You will have my steam retail games forever without risk, I don´t. end of the truth
  • When you’re ready to end beta access, revoke the keys using the key banning tool. You can indicate that you’re banning the keys because of the end of a beta, so users get a friendly message letting them know they’ve lost access.
  • 4. Keep track of the keys you hand out. By default, users who activate a key will own the game forever, but if you want to end beta access or revoke the game from beta testers, that’s fine too. When you’re ready to end beta access, revoke the keys usi
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  • yes full game because it is a beta tester key but from the steam eyes and the developer i´m a beta tester, and developer can ban beta tester key anytime,. so stop insulting me about "you get the full game"
  • avatar You offered me to exchange
  • avatar There is first lie, not tagging this key as a beta tester key, because he know nobody will accept this key, that the reason why he did not tagged the key according
  • avatar You offered me to exchange
  • avatar I offered many options to resolve this, even removing the game from my library, because I don´t want a temporal game in my library. nobody know 100% this key will not be revoked.
  • avatar You get full version
  • avatar and you know I do not will accept this key. you were looking for new users to scam, and you found me. You gain reputation to be respected by the comunity, then you scam others because nobody cares about new users honesty
  • I will post everything about you scam practices. of course, you don´t receive any games from this trade, because you are tricked me into this trade with you not tagged beta tester key. You go first because you knew the source of the key,
  • you hidden this information to avoid to cancel this trade, you are a scammer.
  • avatar I’ve sent [RTD]Killogy key first and he used it. But now he’a refusing make his part of an offer because a key had “for beta testing” postscript. But this is a full game that was released 1.5 years ago.
  • avatar I have been scammed by this user, and sent me a key for beta tester
  • avatar Interested in all the games and DLC which I don’t have. If you don’t like my proposal, send counter. Interested in the number of games, not their quality. Overview
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